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Offline Conley

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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #50 on: November 23, 2011, 09:52:10 AM »
Quote from: spunkloaf on November 22, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
My emotions are in check.  I'm appalled that some other people's emotions are barely present.   It pisses me off that a human being is killed, there was a very specific motive for it, and that motive is being completely ignored.  I think if there is cause for me ever to become emotional about something, this would be one.

Maybe people are too afraid of the word "hate-crime" that they want to avoid exploring the motive in question.  Since that is probably the case, I think some people here are jaded.

I don't think it's fair to say we're ignoring the motive. I'm willing to explore the motive but we have to be honest with the situation. Children taunt and bully each other over just about everything. I was made fun of for my hair, my clothes, etc. It happens to everyone at some point. Some of the kids fight back, and some of them do so with knives, guns, etc. it escalates. This isn't the first case of a student killing another student unfortunately, and it won't be the last.

So my question to you Spunk is what could have been done to prevent this tragedy? Schools are already trying to stop bullying, many have metal detectors, etc. Do you think that our attitudes as a society made this murderer think his actions were ok?
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #51 on: November 23, 2011, 10:08:58 AM »
Quote from: Conley on November 23, 2011, 09:52:10 AM
Quote from: spunkloaf on November 22, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
My emotions are in check.  I'm appalled that some other people's emotions are barely present.   It pisses me off that a human being is killed, there was a very specific motive for it, and that motive is being completely ignored.  I think if there is cause for me ever to become emotional about something, this would be one.

Maybe people are too afraid of the word "hate-crime" that they want to avoid exploring the motive in question.  Since that is probably the case, I think some people here are jaded.

I don't think it's fair to say we're ignoring the motive. I'm willing to explore the motive but we have to be honest with the situation. Children taunt and bully each other over just about everything. I was made fun of for my hair, my clothes, etc. It happens to everyone at some point. Some of the kids fight back, and some of them do so with knives, guns, etc. it escalates. This isn't the first case of a student killing another student unfortunately, and it won't be the last.

So my question to you Spunk is what could have been done to prevent this tragedy? Schools are already trying to stop bullying, many have metal detectors, etc. Do you think that our attitudes as a society made this murderer think his actions were ok?

That's the impression I'm getting and it's precisely what I object to.
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2011, 10:26:56 AM »
I disagree with that as well. Now it may be that in his little circle of freaks they thought that violence against gays was ok, but there's no way that society at large endorses that kind of behavior. There will always be gangs of violent deviants who will attack people for any reason whatsoever. Even something as simple as walking into the wrong part of town can make you a target.
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2011, 10:30:39 AM »
Quote from: Conley on November 23, 2011, 10:26:56 AM
I disagree with that as well. Now it may be that in his little circle of freaks they thought that violence against gays was ok, but there's no way that society at large endorses that kind of behavior. There will always be gangs of violent deviants who will attack people for any reason whatsoever. Even something as simple as walking into the wrong part of town can make you a target.

True. No sensible person condones attacking gays regardless of how they feel about "gay rights".
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2011, 08:48:10 PM »
Quote from: spunkloaf on November 22, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
My emotions are in check.  I'm appalled that some other people's emotions are barely present.   It pisses me off that a human being is killed, there was a very specific motive for it, and that motive is being completely ignored.  I think if there is cause for me ever to become emotional about something, this would be one.

Maybe people are too afraid of the word "hate-crime" that they want to avoid exploring the motive in question.  Since that is probably the case, I think some people here are jaded.

So if the kid who was killed was hetero you would have less of an emotional reaction?  Why? 
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2011, 08:53:33 PM »
Quote from: Peter1469 on November 23, 2011, 08:48:10 PM
Quote from: spunkloaf on November 22, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
My emotions are in check.  I'm appalled that some other people's emotions are barely present.   It pisses me off that a human being is killed, there was a very specific motive for it, and that motive is being completely ignored.  I think if there is cause for me ever to become emotional about something, this would be one.

Maybe people are too afraid of the word "hate-crime" that they want to avoid exploring the motive in question.  Since that is probably the case, I think some people here are jaded.

So if the kid who was killed was hetero you would have less of an emotional reaction?  Why?

Good question. What sayeth Spunkloaf?
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Re: Plea deal in California gay classmate killing
« Reply #56 on: November 24, 2011, 09:12:43 AM »
They certainly have more to fear now than they did before.
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